Even Bernie Sanders said he'd be the most progressive president in modern times. I understand the rhetoric/messaging of the campaign can confuse people, but facts are facts. Joe Biden has proposed the largest expansion of the federal government in modern times with a public option, free community college, and a $1.7 trillion climate change plan... just to name a few. 2020 Joe Biden makes 2008 Barack Obama look like a Barry Goldwater conservative. You are free to not feel he still hasn't gone far enough, but it is pure ignorance to not see how much more further left he is than any general election candidate in modern times. Again, this is not up-for-debate. It is a fact.